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Woozle at 23:46, 28 July 2024

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	A [[quote toot]] (quotoot or QT) is a [[toot]] (fediverse post) in which another toot is quoted, with additional commentary by the QTer.		A [[quote toot]] (quotoot or QT) is a [[toot]] (fediverse post) in which another toot is quoted, with additional commentary by the QTer.

	Although this can be done manually in a number of ways (i.e. by simply replying or linking to the original post and then pasting part or all of its contents into the new toot, preferably with clear indications that they are quoting the referenced toot, most discussion of this concept centers around whether it would be desirable as a feature for fediverse client-interface software (mainly [[Mastodon]]).		Although this can be done manually in a number of ways (i.e. by simply replying or linking to the original post and then pasting part or all of its contents into the new toot, preferably with clear indications that they are quoting the referenced toot), most discussion of this concept centers around whether it would be desirable as a feature for fediverse client-interface software (mainly [[Mastodon]]).

	While there are definitely beneficial ways to use such a feature, many people have apparently been quite traumatized by its abusive uses on Twitter (where it was, of course, known as "quote tweet[ing]").		While there are definitely beneficial ways to use such a feature, many people have apparently been quite traumatized by its abusive uses on Twitter (where it was, of course, known as "quote tweet[ing]").

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			* '''2022-12-27''' [https://toot.cat/@thatdawnperson/109585785337817705 toot.cat/@thatdawnperson] {{fmt/quote\|It is important that QT protect the original writer’s distribution/privacy settings. What does QT safely give you that reply-and-boost or sharing a link doesn’t? [...]}} To my mind, this suggests one ''benefit'' of QT-as-a-feature over manually constructing them: they could encourage best practices, such as making sure QTs were replies rather than new threads, or not QTing if the quoted user has disabled them on a given post (or as a default for their account).
	* '''2022-12-24''' [https://wandering.shop/@annaleen/109570125073158983 Annalee Newitz] suggests a design feature that would alleviate their concerns (Annalee is generally against QTs)		* '''2022-12-24''' [https://wandering.shop/@annaleen/109570125073158983 Annalee Newitz] suggests a design feature that would alleviate their concerns (Annalee is generally against QTs)
	* '''2022-12-23''' [https://wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon/109566758700954368 wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon] {{fmt/quote\|It appears, at least in my little archipelago of Mastodons, that there's a Great Quote-Tweet debate happening.}} thread with discussion		* '''2022-12-23''' [https://wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon/109566758700954368 wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon] {{fmt/quote\|It appears, at least in my little archipelago of Mastodons, that there's a Great Quote-Tweet debate happening.}} thread with discussion

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			* '''2022-12-24''' [https://wandering.shop/@annaleen/109570125073158983 Annalee Newitz] suggests a design feature that would alleviate their concerns (Annalee is generally against QTs)
	* '''2022-12-23''' [https://wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon/109566758700954368 wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon] {{fmt/quote\|It appears, at least in my little archipelago of Mastodons, that there's a Great Quote-Tweet debate happening.}} thread with discussion		* '''2022-12-23''' [https://wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon/109566758700954368 wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon] {{fmt/quote\|It appears, at least in my little archipelago of Mastodons, that there's a Great Quote-Tweet debate happening.}} thread with discussion
	* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)		* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)

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	* '''2022-12-24''' [https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109570385865573556 Annalee Newitz via Charlie Stross] (If image OCR is available in Linux, I don't know how to do it. -W.)		* '''2022-12-24''' [https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109570385865573556 Annalee Newitz via Charlie Stross] (If image OCR is available in Linux, I don't know how to do it. -W.)

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	* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)		* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)
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			* '''2022-12-24''' [https://wandering.shop/@cstross/109570385865573556 Annalee Newitz via Charlie Stross] (If image OCR is available in Linux, I don't know how to do it. -W.)
	* '''2022-12-24''' [https://chat.noelle.codes/@noelle/109569025317272042 chat.noelle.codes/@noelle]: comment from an experienced Twitter ''and'' Mastodon user, and instance admin (she's been on fedi since at least 2017, just not on that instance)		* '''2022-12-24''' [https://chat.noelle.codes/@noelle/109569025317272042 chat.noelle.codes/@noelle]: comment from an experienced Twitter ''and'' Mastodon user, and instance admin (she's been on fedi since at least 2017, just not on that instance)
	* '''2022-12-19''' [https://indieweb.social/@whalecoiner/109547186015349835 indieweb.social/@whalecoiner] {{fmt/quote\|I cannot describe to you the anxiety that comes from people demanding the fucking Quote feature for Mastodon.}} (thread, discussion)		* '''2022-12-19''' [https://indieweb.social/@whalecoiner/109547186015349835 indieweb.social/@whalecoiner] {{fmt/quote\|I cannot describe to you the anxiety that comes from people demanding the fucking Quote feature for Mastodon.}} (thread, discussion)

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	* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)		* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)
	===negative/dislike===		===negative/dislike===
			* '''2022-12-24''' [https://chat.noelle.codes/@noelle/109569025317272042 chat.noelle.codes/@noelle]: comment from an experienced Twitter ''and'' Mastodon user, and instance admin (she's been on fedi since at least 2017, just not on that instance)
	* '''2022-12-19''' [https://indieweb.social/@whalecoiner/109547186015349835 indieweb.social/@whalecoiner] {{fmt/quote\|I cannot describe to you the anxiety that comes from people demanding the fucking Quote feature for Mastodon.}} (thread, discussion)		* '''2022-12-19''' [https://indieweb.social/@whalecoiner/109547186015349835 indieweb.social/@whalecoiner] {{fmt/quote\|I cannot describe to you the anxiety that comes from people demanding the fucking Quote feature for Mastodon.}} (thread, discussion)
	===positive/want===		===positive/want===

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			* '''2022-12-23''' [https://wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon/109566758700954368 wandering.shop/@Quinnae_Moon] {{fmt/quote\|It appears, at least in my little archipelago of Mastodons, that there's a Great Quote-Tweet debate happening.}} thread with discussion
	* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)		* '''2022-12-18''' [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109537548294420159 toot.cat/@woozle] {{fmt/quote\|So, let's talk about #quoteToots (known presumably as #quoteTweets on that other place).}} (discussion thread)
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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* At least one mobile client [https://floss.social/@megalodon/109554553454455272 now supports QTs].		* At least one mobile client [https://floss.social/@megalodon/109554553454455272 now supports QTs]. ([https://toot.io/@rageagainstleaves/109558178041691593 screenshots])

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	* '''2022-12-19''' [https://indieweb.social/@whalecoiner/109547186015349835 indieweb.social/@whalecoiner] {{fmt/quote\|I cannot describe to you the anxiety that comes from people demanding the fucking Quote feature for Mastodon.}} (thread, discussion)		* '''2022-12-19''' [https://indieweb.social/@whalecoiner/109547186015349835 indieweb.social/@whalecoiner] {{fmt/quote\|I cannot describe to you the anxiety that comes from people demanding the fucking Quote feature for Mastodon.}} (thread, discussion)
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			* '''2022-12-22''' [https://rage.love/@perigee/109558010645189617 rage.love/@perigee] {{fmt/quote\|It seems like part of the discussion includes that (surprise) marginalized people use them for other purposes than the largely white developers seem to be able to conceive of.}} ... {{fmt/quote\|if this pattern bears out, it'll be years or perhaps decades until there's a regime change and the feature request gets honored. Affably white folks who ignore requests sand discussion usually stick with it without critical engagement for their lifetime and never look back.}} A lot of vulnerable/marginalized people have also been traumatized by QTs on Twitter, though, it seems; that also needs to be taken into consideration. -W.
	* '''2022-12-21''' [https://fosstodon.org/@sehe/109554380574650275 fosstodon.org/@sehe] {{fmt/quote\|about the ONLY thing that can NOT be conveniently shared on Mastodon is another Mastodon post. / Even embedding YT or Twitter links seems to work as expected. Why would toots be any different? It's effectively just Mastodon disadvantaging itself.}}		* '''2022-12-21''' [https://fosstodon.org/@sehe/109554380574650275 fosstodon.org/@sehe] {{fmt/quote\|about the ONLY thing that can NOT be conveniently shared on Mastodon is another Mastodon post. / Even embedding YT or Twitter links seems to work as expected. Why would toots be any different? It's effectively just Mastodon disadvantaging itself.}}
	* '''2022-11-16''' [https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/109355822005012040 hachyderm.io/@dalias] {{fmt/quote\|OK, here it goes. Why quote-posting is a critical positive feature we need to get on this platform. [...]}} Enumerated thread.		* '''2022-11-16''' [https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/109355822005012040 hachyderm.io/@dalias] {{fmt/quote\|OK, here it goes. Why quote-posting is a critical positive feature we need to get on this platform. [...]}} Enumerated thread.

	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* At least one mobile client [https://floss.social/@megalodon/109554553454455272 now supports QTs].		* At least one mobile client [https://floss.social/@megalodon/109554553454455272 now supports QTs].

Woozle at 15:58, 22 December 2022

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	* '''2022-12-21''' [https://fosstodon.org/@sehe/109554380574650275 fosstodon.org/@sehe] {{fmt/quote\|about the ONLY thing that can NOT be conveniently shared on Mastodon is another Mastodon post. / Even embedding YT or Twitter links seems to work as expected. Why would toots be any different? It's effectively just Mastodon disadvantaging itself.}}		* '''2022-12-21''' [https://fosstodon.org/@sehe/109554380574650275 fosstodon.org/@sehe] {{fmt/quote\|about the ONLY thing that can NOT be conveniently shared on Mastodon is another Mastodon post. / Even embedding YT or Twitter links seems to work as expected. Why would toots be any different? It's effectively just Mastodon disadvantaging itself.}}
	* '''2022-11-16''' [https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/109355822005012040 hachyderm.io/@dalias] {{fmt/quote\|OK, here it goes. Why quote-posting is a critical positive feature we need to get on this platform. [...]}} Enumerated thread.		* '''2022-11-16''' [https://hachyderm.io/@dalias/109355822005012040 hachyderm.io/@dalias] {{fmt/quote\|OK, here it goes. Why quote-posting is a critical positive feature we need to get on this platform. [...]}} Enumerated thread.
			==Notes==
			* At least one mobile client [https://floss.social/@megalodon/109554553454455272 now supports QTs].

Woozle at 14:36, 22 December 2022

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	Note that different users have different followerships with different preferences and filtering needs; a post which may have been absolutely fine in the original poster's context might really need a CW (for content many followers might want to skip or only view under some circumstances) or hashtags (for filtering, as well as the more obvious use of making the post more findable) in the context of the person resharing it.		Note that different users have different followerships with different preferences and filtering needs; a post which may have been absolutely fine in the original poster's context might really need a CW (for content many followers might want to skip or only view under some circumstances) or hashtags (for filtering, as well as the more obvious use of making the post more findable) in the context of the person resharing it.
			==Refinement==
			Something I have not seen brought up is that sometimes you don't want to quote an ''entire'' post, but maybe just a sentence or one or two paragraphs. I would definitely prefer to see an interface which presented the OP as editable content, rather than one which just embeds the original -- though if editing is ''not'' needed, embedding the original would be a nice ''option'' to have (especially when the original author might edit the post to correct errors or add updates). -W.
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